Hi Jeff and Katherine,

    I enjoyed the call on the 4th tenet.  I especially find that this is an enlightening tenet.  I recall my first retreat with Andrew where he had us contemplate the difference between the personal and impersonal dimensions.  I was clear about the freedom and space of the impersonal.  Your call had that quality in the initial dialogue between the two of you and with all of us.  I think that we can really awaken to something that is cosmic in our consciousness as we realize we are a process and not an individual entity.  I have found that many aspects of my individual life have pointed to the evidence that I am/we are a process.  It is also an existential realization. But to realize we are one entity or process or being together is really far out and reaches the psyche beyond itself. I like it. It is freeing.  And it is not the way I usually feel which is more this idea of being imprisoned in a self or body or idea of me. Yet to give over oneself completely to this large process as onesself is a leap... that seems daunting especially in the secular world.  I see here the need for a community with others who are interested in this and see the possibility of it as well.

    I think most people including myself don't really know how to let go of self as object completely and then to go beyond even self as process to self as no self and only big process as existing.

Thanks again.

Gail

Jeff & Katherine

What an unbelievable thought.  The Evolutionary process awakening to itself, realizing that the human form is its vehicle, to use and discard.  At first it is a little scary to think that, as a human being, I am disposable to the process.  Humans are conditioned to believe they are essential.  I almost want to think I am the BEST vehicle to convey the process (but there is that ego talking).  There must be many other forms that are equally as necessary to it. When the Evolutionary process wakes-up to itself, through me as a human being, what is the next use for this vehicle?  The only thing is to consciously let go of this vehicle, and for the universe to take it back.  I feel like I will have reached the edge of this boundary (a cliff of sorts), and I am looking out into this vast area of pale color where nothing is above, below, or on either side of me.  At this spot, I must make what I think for a split second is a choice, but in reality what is the inevitable step.  Looking out at this vastness in front of me, I will know the feeling that I can take the step over the edge of this barrier, and I will not drop down, like a person falling from a cliff.  So I am ready to take my one step, that static energy pulling me.  That brief glimmer of fear from knowing I will cease to exist in this form once I take the step, suddenly dissipates.  I put my foot out and lean in, becoming one with the process of evolution.  The universe which I was born to takes me back in, because on a completely consciously level, I am no longer separate from it. Don't ask me where all these thoughts came from.  It just surfaced near the end as I was listening.   (a listener)

Just had to say.....GREAT call last night!  Your Passion was palpable!!  As I awoke this morning...my world...or The World was/felt different!! Can't really explain it.....it's like Harry Palmer, author of the "Avatar" teaching says...."It's a "World" experience, not a "word" experience". Thank you and Katherine for all your effort in this Universe Project!! From across this continent on Vancouver Island, Canada...I send my heartfelt gratitude and appreciation!

Bless you....Monique

 Dear Andrew and Jeff,
What a wonderful phone call it was this evening!  Thank you so much. Somehow on the phone call your voice sounded vulnerable and penetrating at the same time, in a way that was really quite sublime.  I am hoping that this program gets turned into a podcast that I can direct my friends to via links or whatever. I think it was perhaps the most succinct, impassioned and simply compelling description of the context, the purpose, and the passion for Evolutionary Enlightenment that I have heard yet.
Thank you so much!
Carl

Dear Jeff

I have just heard Andrew Cohen’s talk via the web. I like his conclusion that basically we are all one in primordial consciousness. But now - in manifestation - we are many and the universe is our project.

My question is: why does 'our' Universe Project contain so much pain??!! Isn't evolutionary spirituality, like every other theology, crumbling under the tremendous amount of pain present in this world? Is it all just involution and evolution - a godly game - lila and existence, consciousness, bliss -satchitananda (Sri Aurobindo)?

Looking forward to your reply, yours

Michael (Zurich)

Dear Michael,

Thank you for your question. I have to agree that there is tremendous pain in the Universe. I am not as certain that the existence of pain is the source of our problems. The goal of Evolutionary Enlightenment is not is not to end pain, but to discover universal purpose and meaning. I don’t believe that pain is what causes so much suffering in the world (particularly not for highly developed cultures in the west) rather it is the lack of meaning and significance that holds far too many of us in a state of meandering despair. My own experience of Evolutionary Enlightenment has been that the more I have found the drive of my own deepest heart to be non-separate from the creative drive that initiated the process of evolution in the first place, my concern with the experience of pain has been replaced by the explosive inspiration for what the future could be.

Thank you again for writing,

Jeff